@ADFGVX > there is no choice but to wage covert or open warfare against the communist “thieves in law” or “thieves within the law” as the case may be, as these crimes are too serious, too organized, and too pernicious Nonsense. We have a nigh infinite number of options we can explore. Even history has a salient lesson to teach us: Russia's corrupt brand of "communism" is likely to just collapse by its own actions. Warfare does not appear to be necessary at all; just cut them out of the global supply chain. The only thing that's been stopping me from dropping the entirety of Russia (or China or any number of other prominent attackers in my logs) in my firewall is that I've wanted to give the "good guys" there a chance to make things right. Perhaps I've been too generous. Maybe it's finally time to admit that those people need to fix their internal politics first, and only *then* does the world agree to connect with them. > But there remains a bitter front on on the war against communism, and against the communist culture of excessive alcohol, recreational drugs, and sexual promiscuity. What communist manifesto is *that* covered in? Because it sounds pretty great. I mean, you're just "rock and roll music" away from America. Pro tip: if you want to demonize a culture, bring up the things that most people *won't* think of as fun. @Winter > Of course, there is still the option that Putin is incompetent and Russia and its secret services are ruled by someone else we do not know. What difference does it make? This is why the "attribution is hard" line is misguided. People need to get their thinking straight. Either the actions of the people in charge represent a successful strategy for the future of Russia or they do not. If they do, they will continue to succeed and Russians will win out in the end. If they do not, Russians have the most to lose by allowing things to continue this way. None of us has any say in what the Russians do. 40a9d5f1aae72cdef1709bae373194f0642c0357f08c9a60f0384dd5a61afe8e