@mark

Tell me, how big do you think any company's tech support staff, that deals with *only* that, is?

It's not about size, it's about competence and effectiveness. If they're still mixing most legitimate customers in with spammers, that's a problem they clearly haven't been able to solve in 20 years. Stop making excuses for them; take your business to someone who won't use you as a human shield for abuse.

The spammers and malwareists create - actually, they probably have scripts that create disposable domains, use them till they're stopped, and do it again and again.

And? There are countermeasures to that (and consequences to them, as the referenced article points out). The onus remains on the ISP to police their network. If they're doing a poor job of it, maybe the Internet would be better off without them being connected.

You're saying that you approve of collective punihsment, that millions of us are, in fact, liable for not jumping on the hosting provider?

Yes. You are known by the company you keep. Apparently your ISP likes to keep company with spammers. If you, as a paying customer, are unwilling or unable to convince them to do otherwise, what hope does anyone else have? Again, you are being used as a human shield; willfully continue that relationship at your own peril.

When I was in Chicago, using the ISP, what was I supposed to do, call the company, and expect them to pay attention to me? Really?

Again, yes. That's exactly what it means to get support from a company. Get your thinking straight.

I have no idea what hosting provider *you* use... but I'm not a commercial enterprise, so I'm not going to spring a ton of money monthly for a private mailserver.

Well, I know what I'm doing, so I'm able to run my own mail server (along with many other things) on a low-end VPS for under $2/month. It's one that generally takes abuse seriously, too. Instead of throwing yourself on a pile of millions of other customers, consider seeking out a smaller provider who will actually value your business.

And don't tell me gmail, the contents of my email exchanges are *not* for them to scan for free and sell.

You must be joking. As I already noted in my previous comment, Google is a big part of the problem. They've been my only source of deliverability problems, because their monopolistic practices when it comes to email results in them treating smaller providers like trash. Of course, that is not an unintended harm, though. bbcc56f564b989af3be68615266f81083c1eba601c519018c5cd037f1d542269