I haven't moved into another area, I'm just trying to approach your comments from the context of this specific TED talk, looking for general prinicples that explain the observations from a scientific viewpoint. To your first comment, I still see no evidence of "deeply-ingrained societal expectation". There are norms and individual preferences, yes, but I don't see anything indicating that "beauty" is in any way an imposed value. To the contrary, I've seen quite a number of scientific studies that have shown (even in infants) that most people favor interactions with people they (as individuals) consider pretty/attractive. If the TED speaker or you or *anyone* has research that indicates otherwise, I'd love to see it. Barring that, I stand by my point that while it is unquestionably a good thing to use models with body types that reflect the customers of a clothing company, it is misguided to insist everyone's personal definition of beauty can and will change as a result. To your second comment, I think I sufficiently addressed it in my direct response. There was historical sexism, and there is ongoing sexism, and there are men who are just jerks to everyone. It muddies the waters when we conflate them all. So, again, in the context of this talk, I really want some hard evidence of a cabal of men in the fashion industry pushing a skewed view of beauty, such that some other "look" would do a better job of appealing to both men and women clothing buyers, if only they were allowed to see it. My null hypothesis remains that there is no universal standard of beauty, and so we all can neither be pushed towards one by the fashion industry nor can we be pushed into thinking that everyone is equally beautiful. 261e5d71cfed76250bd55169a6287e12a917975475a5069ffaccefa2bd31d5e8